the senate's most pissed off munchkin john mccain said as much. he said i would be very opposed to raising tax rates but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. charitable giving and home loan mortgage deductions, the ones that will make plenty of middle class households pay too. they're the worst ideas. >> again, if norquist would back off, not to give norquist advice or help but if he would back off the closing loopholes as in any way raising taxes, he could say nobody violated my pledge. norquist comes out on top again. >> stephanie: i have to also say you have the best description i've heard yet of lindsey graham and john mccain. you said since john mccain and lindsey graham are like a human circular centipede -- they're like a senator-pede, part of the same organism. >> they keep feeding and defecating the same talking points into each other's mouths constantly. >> stephanie: lindsey graham of course repeated exactly what john mccain said. as you say they eat the same [ bleep ] in an endless loop. like a senator-pede. >> the siamese sen